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storage of corrosives

Post by Kathryn »

Hi all
I have one cabinet to store corrosives. I attempt to separate by shelves the acids and bases. I also have iodine in there (double bottled in sealed plastic bags). However I am still finding that all my labels get stained brown - they would become unreadable if I left them. Is it the iodine causing this or is it reactions between other things eg nitric acid? How do others store iodine? (I HATE iodine!)
Any help appreciated.
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We had a very small corrosive cabinet, and we only had Iodine in that cupboard. The others went into a normal cupboard, and it worked fine.
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We don't have a cabinet for corrosives at all, they have their own bank of shelves in the chemstore. I haven't had any problems with my iodine (or anything else) staining labels.
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melsid wrote: 13 Feb 2019, 10:44 We don't have a cabinet for corrosives at all, they have their own bank of shelves in the chemstore. I haven't had any problems with my iodine (or anything else) staining labels.
Same here melsid . We did have Iodine in a small cupboard in the prep room and there was a brown stain on the wall behind it but since its been stored in plastic bag in store room on the shelf it seems quite happy to vent off into a larger area . I think the smaller the containment area , the greater the concentration of gaseous Iodine .

And like melsid ,we don't have a corrosives cabinet either .
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Hi All,
We need a new corrosive cabinet, 200L or more, any recommendations on suppliers?
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Hi, has anyone ever disposed of a corrosives cabinet, is it ok to just be put with general waste (there has been no spills in it) so i assume its fine.
Thought I'd ask.
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Interesting question. Maybe check with the company you're buying the new one from?
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I did, I asked if they can take the old one to be disposed of but they don't, and they just said if there wasn't a spill it could probably be a general waste or maybe a metal recycling place.
Just thought I'd post the question hoping someone might know :thumbup:
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Scrap metal sounds the go to me . Especially if your local Tip takes it for free . You'd most likely have to pay for general waste there .

I think I would ask the GA to get rid of it . Not your problem .
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Ok, sounds good to me! lol thank you
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Is there somewhere that says what concentration of acids needs to be in the corrosives cabinet and what doesn't?
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I run with any acids that are classed as hazardous should be in a corrosive cabinet. Non-hazardous can sit on the shelf if you are short of space in the cabinet.
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Merilyn1 wrote: 05 Nov 2024, 13:39 I run with any acids that are classed as hazardous should be in a corrosive cabinet. Non-hazardous can sit on the shelf if you are short of space in the cabinet.
Makes the most sense , but you might need a larger corrosive cabinet.

According to Risk assess ....the following acids are Hazardous.

Hydrochloric higher than 2.7mol/L
Sulfuric higher than 0.5mol/L
Nitric higher than 0.1mol/L
Phosphoric higher than 0.1mol/L
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If it has the corrosive pictogram? Would that be a good indicator? I haven't looked them up. Just trying to work out what sizes I ACTUALLY need instead of what we currently have...
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RosalieL wrote: 05 Nov 2024, 14:22 If it has the corrosive pictogram? Would that be a good indicator? I haven't looked them up. Just trying to work out what sizes I ACTUALLY need instead of what we currently have...
Interestingly again from Risk assess

The following acids get the Corrosive Pictogram when...
HCl higher than 7.6 mol/L
H2SO4 higher than 1.6mol/L
HNO3 higher than 0.7mol/L
H3PO4 higher than 2.9mol/L

If you go by that then you are still going to have a lot in the Corrosives cabinet . Except it would seem HCl
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I think I only have 0.1M and 1M made up for most acids and bases except HCL which I also have a 2M (from memory - I'm not going to look right now!) so that should still work for me to just keep the concentrated ones in there. I only have one bottle of each concentrate so should be able to get away with smaller cabinets.
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Do we HAVE to use a corrosive cabinet? I've worked in about 20 schools, and only a couple have had one - and I don't have one where I am permanently now.

I store my droppers in a second prep room (it is across the hall from me). I would never have room in the chem store!
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LabTechBrooke wrote: 06 Nov 2024, 08:19 Do we HAVE to use a corrosive cabinet? I've worked in about 20 schools, and only a couple have had one - and I don't have one where I am permanently now.

I store my droppers in a second prep room (it is across the hall from me). I would never have room in the chem store!
Was never a thing at the NSW schools I worked in either Brooke . They just had shelves made of compressed Cement sheet .
My last schools Chem store was built after the CSIS came out .I think it's a case of do the best with the storage provided .

For years , we had Acids and Bases of all Molarities up to about 5 just on shelves in the prep room in HDPE Jerry Cans . They were at least in a lead tray .Principal come down for a visit and spat the dummy .Was told to put anything that didn't have a green dot in the Chem store .( on shelves of coarse with the lead tray under it ) .There was not enough space on the Cement sheet area to hold all the Jerry Cans we had . I did cull a lot of them to the disgust of the Chem teacher .
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LabTechBrooke wrote: 06 Nov 2024, 08:19 Do we HAVE to use a corrosive cabinet? I've worked in about 20 schools, and only a couple have had one - and I don't have one where I am permanently now.

I store my droppers in a second prep room (it is across the hall from me). I would never have room in the chem store!
Only if you don't have room to segregate from incompatible substances by distance. Eg class 8 (corrosives) and class 3 (flammables) must be 3m or more apart. My store room is tiny so they need to be in cabinets.
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Basically we store by DG class (transport), look at the manufacturers SDS. If it has a diamond transport class sticker on it, then it needs to be stored in the cabinet, everything else in bunds and on lower shelves if a liquid in general store.
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