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shellythenewlabby
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NON Trained science teacher

Post by shellythenewlabby » 08 Mar 2019, 11:04

Afternoon Everyone

Just a question...What is the highest molar a non science trained teacher (who is currently re training)can use? :? :oops: :-?

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Michelle

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Re: NON Trained science teacher

Post by Merilyn1 » 08 Mar 2019, 11:12

Oh yuk - maybe a decision for a higher power. What school system are you working in?
I don't know of a definitive answer for most schools. A non-hazardous chemical on it's own may be okay, but it depends on what it is being mixed with etc. Most schools I've worked in do not allow non-science teachers to do any pracs. There are too many risks that a inadequately trained teacher would not be aware of.
My gut feel would be none, but this really comes down to what your management think should be done. At the end of the day, it is not our responsibility to over-ride management decisions. However, I would be taking some good notes about any conversations you have regarding this situation.

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Re: NON Trained science teacher

Post by karend » 08 Mar 2019, 11:36

We do not allow non-science teachers to do any practical lessons, let alone use chemicals!!

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Re: NON Trained science teacher

Post by Lyn » 08 Mar 2019, 12:02

Some of the best science teachers I have ever had were not trained as science teachers. They had done perhaps a science unit as part of their teaching course but were not science teachers. One was a home economics teacher, one was a maths teacher and another was a primary school trained teacher. One thing they all had in common was that they were able to maintain order and discipline within the classroom. Two went on to be heads of the science department. Just be there to assist wherever possible. Perhaps get them to come and work through any prac before they actually do it with the kids. Never give them a bottle of sodium metal thinking they know how to demonstrate its use. ( After one unsettling experience I now ask every trained teacher if they have ever used/demonstrated sodium metal.) Offer to do the demonstration yourself. Most teachers jump at the chance for the lab tech to do that demonstration. Try not to show them the excitement of bucket chemistry. If the junior pracs calls for strengths up to 2M it should be okay. Most pracs are 0.1M to 1M anyhow. Time will let you know if this person is capable in the classroom.

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Re: NON Trained science teacher

Post by shellythenewlabby » 08 Mar 2019, 13:13

Thanks Lyn...This teacher is a very capable teacher in classroom management and discipline. This is his 2nd year with us in the science department and does ask the science trained teachers for help when needed in which they are happy to do....Its just that they all asked me what is the highest molar that he was able to use until he has finished re-training ...

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Re: NON Trained science teacher

Post by bigmack » 08 Mar 2019, 13:45

Our casuals and non-science staff are allowed to do pracs that don't involve chemicals at the HT's discretion based on the class and the teacher .
There have been a rare few occasions where they have been permitted to use relatively safe chemicals ( salt , calcium carbonate etc ) but anything to do with Bunsen's or risky chemicals is a definite no no with the exception of one of our TAS teachers .....but then he's used to kids using Oxy torches plasma cutters and the likes . Again it comes down to HT discretion.

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